On the other hand the km 184 sounds really harsh on choirs and strings. This is a huge problem with budget power supplies . The newer psu hums quite loud from up to a distance of 8-9 feet away , but worst of all the mic sounds inconsistent from one day to the next where voltage swings are anywhere from 117 volts to -123 volts making it hard to get a consistent sound. These are serious questions that people are going to be asking . Normally the 84 wins 9/10 times. Telefunken M60 FET vs Soyuz SU-013 vs KM184 When you buy products through links across our site, we may earn an affiliate commission. Either I have a defective psu or the one they sent me isn’t any good . Hey there! The 960 has never had that feature. I've had a pair of Soyuz SU-13 for almost a year now... B sounds a lot better to me! Schoeps offers a whole system of capsules, bodies and equipment and everything just fits perfect together (not just from the mechanic perspective but also soundwise). A seems to have weird "metallic" sounding high frequency resonances going on. I have a general question on these - do you store your mics with the capsules screwed on the mic body or do you remove them for storage? Can you be so kind as to explain how this cheaper and more affordable m902 psu affects the way the mic sounds compared to original ela M260 with the m960 Psu? I like it as a stereo spot for woods, for overheads and Guitars with emphasized attack and sparkle. Or perform diff at a location that has lower or higher voltage swings . I would also agree that the M60's are fairly "fast" and detailed. Order this mic in December last year on sale with 200$ off at vintage king audio , and the description showed the older m960 psu that cost 449$ and the new one it ships with only cost 199$. Just a friendly reminder that political discussion, (including "offhand" and 'sideways' commenting) is. Hi, we have a lot of Schoeps (with all available capsules), quite some Neumann KM 184 and 183 and I made some string and piano recordings with the Telefunken ELA M 260 and I had a pair of KM84. Jason rocks. And without PAD. Not unheard of. 12th December 2018 #31 ... Based on the highs/mids , I’d say A is Neumann and B is M60. I've had a pair of Soyuz SU-13 for almost a year now... and everybody likes their sound on almost any source you throw at them. Check out a pair of Neumann KM84s or KM 86s. Telefunk M60's, Miktek C5's or Neumann Km 184 for acoustic. James you mention your keeping cost down , the m960 worked with the elam260 and the cu29 but cost 449$ and the TF29 worked with the cheaper m902 psu but only cost 199$ ? This has always been the case. Interesting that the KM84 seemed to exaggerate this. Just a friendly reminder that political discussion, (including "offhand" and 'sideways' commenting) is. Telefukem won a team award for this mic when it shipped with the m960 no ? Anyone tried them yet? I should also mention that I prefer B in this application. When you buy products through links across our site, we may earn an affiliate commission. Why weren’t you able to keep the consumer price down on the m960 since it worked with 2 mics ? One word China . Learn more Page 3 of 3 < 1 2 3 Reply OPTIONS. I think it is a budget power supply , does it include a slow-ramping filament voltage to extend tube life and full regulation to ensure the microphone will always operate the same? If I get some extra time this weekend, maybe I'll shoot out the three and post some clips here. A mic is as good as its psu. The pared-down stereo set retails for $1150. In regard to 260 packages, that feature is only found in our Stereo and Tri-Mono Sets (960S and 963, respectively). Was the reason for the m902 psu to keep the price down on the ela M260 and give customers a better value ? Neither the 960 or 902 have our slow-ramping filament circuit. Soundwise and from an investment perspective. I agree, A sounds a bit metallic. Since this mic has had its high praise and glory are you deliberately lowering the quality of this great product so that you can save money on production cost while maximizing sales ? The 902 provides cleaner, better regulated power, so while the two supplies don't sound different, the noise floor is lower with the new design. Prefer B on this particular sound source but can imagine preferring A on others. The M60 is a re-interpretation of the classic phantom powered FET microphone, featuring an exceptional transient response and SPL handling capabilities. When you buy products through links across our site, we may earn an affiliate commission. Telefunken M60 FET vs Soyuz SU-013 vs KM184, https://www.telefunken-elektroakusti...-m-260-at-namm, Pictures Of Mic'ed Up Drum Kits In The Studio. I like KM184 when I have to bring this particular track in front. Anyone tried them yet? There is less bottom and shy highs. The problem I notice with the newer m902 is ac ripple / hum which isn’t a good thing . I know that most gearslutzs will hate me for the next statement but I would always choose a schoeps (especially the MK22) over a km 84 if I want a smooth sound (plus it has far less noise and will be trouble free for the next decades :-). A buddy of mine owns a ela m260 also so I asked him to bring his over so we could compare and first thing i noticed was his psu was silent , there was no hum coming off of his m960 psu . Probably the power transformer vibrating and/or polluting the audio from the vibration, usually with square EI style transformers as opposed to toroidal. I’m not sure what’s wrong with it . I'd be interested in seeing if anyone could tell a KM84 apart from the M60 in a blind shootout. Yep it's clear in the videos above, the Schoeps are something else..just more musical and clear. 14th January 2020 #61 ... Telefunk M60's, Miktek C5's or Neumann Km 184 for acoustic. Thanks for the comparisons with the Soyuz and the Telefunken. Could be from the lams not being tight/stacked/shellacked right. Telefunken M60 FET vs Soyuz SU-013 vs KM184 When you buy products through links across our site, we may earn an affiliate commission. The 11dBA spec refers to the self noise of the microphone amplifier, that's a little different. They both seem a little boosted in the high mids, but the boost on the A mic is at a lower frequency, while the B mic has a boost up higher that makes the guitar sound more open, and makes the pick noise a little less objectionable (it's bad on both.). I don’t want my mic to sound different one day to the next . The newer options are Cardioid-only packages, but we are still offering packages with all capsule sets. The Schoeps sound really musical as well and can handle EQ very well. I did notice the new power supply cost 199$ while the previous one cost 449$ Guess telefunken is starting to lower the cost to make these mics but sell them for the same price. Learn more Page 2 of 3 < 1 2 3 > Reply OPTIONS. I feel the same way about taylor guitars as Brent Hahn does about tlm 103’s. It is not uncommon for a mic company to design 90% of the psu to be efficient and cut cost on the remaining 10% . Rich also hits things with sticks for the Brooklyn-based rock band Bugs in the Dark. However I believe that the Schoeps are in another league. Hello everyone , just got my ela m260 and there is a hum emitting from the psu that is really loud . Again, it's an improvement. They are detailed but warm... compared to schoeps, they won't get that bright when gutars are strummed hard or cymbals are played loud (but don't have that level of detail). But I also thought the T-funk was better for this guitar. I like all of them. How were you able to keep the price down on the m902 but improve the design that was lacking in the more expensive m960 psu ? We're actually now offering the ELA M 260 in five different packages. Telefunk M60's, Miktek C5's or Neumann Km 184 for acoustic. Rich Crescenti is a freelance engineer, producer, teacher, and drummer who works out of several studios in NYC, helping bands make unique recordings. You might be surprised. The Telefunken M60 Master Stereo Set retails for $1695. I guess I like that sound for the right song. Looking at that piano video again... it appears that those may be the 013 tube version. Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. Hey there! If the cu29 works on the m960 it should work with the m902 same gos for the TF29 should work on both psu correct ? If so where is the value when you have to spend even more now to get all three capsules ? What is the new specs for the mics self noise with the new psu ? Telefunken M60 FET vs Soyuz SU-013 vs KM184, https://www.telefunken-elektroakusti...-m-260-at-namm, Pictures Of Mic'ed Up Drum Kits In The Studio. When I ordered the mic in December it was listed as 11 dba self noise ?